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Teresa Seed · Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:26 pm Post subject: Oscar Perone is retiring...?

I have just visited a blog I was attempting to translate on Oscar's Spanish site, The blog is not there and instead there was a notice written by him and headed 'Notification of retirement for personal and health reasons'. It seems he has withdrawn ALL his material from the web. I just checked a video link on the next thread down here and it gives the same page. Strange. I am returning to the notice to try and get more sense out of it.

Teresa Seed · Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:25 pm Post subject: Oscar Perone is retiring...?

Below is a quick translation of the whole open letter, my Spanish is not that brilliant so I may have missed something but I think the gist is there.
Teresa

Dearest fellow wayfarers,

Since I began my journeys around Latin America, and right up

till now I have had the opportunity to meet many magnificent

people.

There have been thousands of miles, many countries, hearts,

many faces, impressions, dreams, the memory of which

overwhelms my heart.

All this odyssey has been possible thanks to those marvellous

winged beings which we call bees, with whom I have been

profoundly in love and attracted to for decades...but it is

now time for deep reflexion, reflexion arising after

beginning my journeying in Europe and specifically, Spain,

and after achieving personal balance (?! of the three courses

I have to date been able to produce in this marvellous

country.

As a result, I am afraid I can no longer continue on, as was

my initial objective, for various important reasons. For one

thing, the movement which I am generating through my great

passion does not allow people to glimpse the clear sky, the

simple, loving message which underlies the proposal which I

have brought to them and which should be the essential

overriding message. For another, I am becoming too much the

main protagonist and others are being left unacknowledged

(very loose translation).....

... it is now up to you all to demonstrate the truth of my

methods by experience...

This is why as from now I am disactivating all the internet

sites we have created, all the videos and teaching materials,

including my PermApicultura manual which will cease to be on

sale as from now.

There are many people all round the world who I am confident

will be capable of showing that bees are bees and know how to

be, even though we try and show them better (again, loose!).

So I say goodbye to you all, wishing you the best and thanks

for giving me the chance to know you and to share my dream

and my passion with you all.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. With huge appreciation and good wishes.

Oscar Perone

andy pearce · Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:50 am Post subject:

I am (unusually) speechless. I will have a look.
A

andy pearce · Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:08 am Post subject:

Well... that is what it seems to say... all of the websites, including the English site, are gone and that seems to be it as far as he is concerned.
A

marise · Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 4:24 pm Post subject:

This is a real shock ...just when I was really beginning to understand his ideas about low interference bee keeping ...We will be looking to you Andy to pass on news and results from the work you are doing in his style of hive ....

Marise

biobee · Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:50 pm Post subject:

Oscar tell me he is "taking a breather", so I guess he'll be back sometime.

Che Guebuddha · Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:27 pm Post subject:

I can relate to his decission. Actually thanks to this action of his I have even more respect for him and way of his he found to be bee friendly. He sure is on no ego trip.

Cie · Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:32 pm Post subject:

Yeah I can too, it's an obvious way of removing stress when it's all a bit much.

One thing I will say is that it's a shame to lose his sites; I've been thinking about setting up a beekeeping wiki for some time, which might help when things like this happen.

Che Guebuddha · Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:41 pm Post subject:

Sir David · Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:13 pm Post subject:

Anyone have some plans for a Perone mark two ?
preferably in English

chook-in-eire · Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:26 pm Post subject:

If you have saved bookmarks, Wayback Machine may be your friend:

http://web.archive.org/
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To Bee.

Viggen · Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:47 pm Post subject:

Interesting development. All the best to Mr Prone.
It has been nice to have enough of a glimpse at Oscars philosophy and methods to proceed on my own, in the same general direction with some of my hives.

And Sir David, yes - on the plans for a couple of Mark 2 hives. Need to test to see what works in our region with our bees.
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Enjoy the day.

GürkanYeniçeri · Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:27 pm Post subject:

Interesting development. If I were him, I would leave the info and web sites till they die on the net. I wonder who made him angry?

Maybe Clare (AmericaLibre) can say something about this development.

Sir David · Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:51 am Post subject:

The more I think about it the more odd this seems . I do hope Oscar is ok
As far as plans go Its detail of 'the bars' I need . Size and spacing anyone ?

Sir David

catchercradle · Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:24 am Post subject:

Tried webarchive - didn't work.

zaunreiter · Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:45 am Post subject:

I know someone who saved all the webpages. Wink

So maybe he speak for himself and tell us how to contact him.

Bernhard

GürkanYeniçeri · Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:42 pm Post subject:

I have got the pdf from Claire's english web site if anyone is interested. PM me.

andy pearce · Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:51 pm Post subject:

I think all the details are on the video taken at the last conference, which is still available on you tube...'a conversation about the perone hive'....it is a bit long but if you can sit through it do so and if there are any questions PM me. I am in contact with Claire and she is trying to find out more.
I am a bit busy at present but will write down the instructions and put them up as soon as I can unless someone beats me to it....there are plenty of Perone mk2 triers out there. Just to add I am considering a small but significant modification...which is to compromise after what the bee inspector said...and I am only considering it at the moment, which would be to replace the three most central top bars with three large frames with spales. It is just an idea at the moment...the middle frame could be extracted for inspection if absolutely necessary..the rest of the bee area would be allowed to get on with whatever.There would be two smaller comb grids either side instead of one big one.... I know others have done the whole box with frames but I would not wish to go that far...
A

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RoyCoates · Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:04 am Post subject:

The PermApiculture Way
By
Oscar Perone
in collaboration with
Claire McHale
Alexis Torres
Monochrome Printer version
2012

I have the above title in pdf format on how to build a Parone hive. pm me your email and I will get it to you!

sorry GürkanYeniçeri I see you already posted this. Its good to have back up in more than one place.

genus_apis · New Bee Joined: 29 Aug 2012 Posts: 5 Location: NW USA

At first I was surprised to hear about Oscar's decision, but then after some reflection on my part I realized it's not that surprising at all. I think Oscar is wise to say "This is becoming too much about me and Perone method" and it's good that he's encouraging people to work through & discover the principles of good beekeeping on their own, instead of them hopping from method to method.

Best of wishes to Oscar, and I hope this decision gives you more time with the bees!

biobee · Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:12 pm Post subject:

genus_apis · New Bee Joined: 29 Aug 2012 Posts: 5 Location: NW USA

GürkanYeniçeri · Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:15 pm Post subject:

Yes, that pdf was the free one, the permapiculture manual has never been made available in English I think.

RoyCoates · Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:58 am Post subject:

[/quote]
Just because Oscar has withdrawn his book from sale does NOT mean he has relinquished his copyright. Please do not offer to hand out copyright material to all comers without permission from the author.[/quote]
Sorry Phil
I did NOT infringe on Mr Parone's copyrights, The material I have was/is given free and is shared free and is under no copyright to my knowledge.

Thanks Nick for the links that should relieve some suspicion/doubt.
Thanks GürkanYeniçeri as well.

Merinos · Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:05 am Post subject:

andy pearce · Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:40 pm Post subject:

Merinos
which website... all send you to this one http://www.permapicultura.es/ which gives his retiring statement....I am a little confused... all seems quiet on the the Perone sytem... if not please post.
A

hawkiye · Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:49 am Post subject:

I can understand wanting to retire and not deal with the critics but why pull all your material off the web that just doesn't make any sense. People are wanting to try it experiment with it and build on it... I hate when people do things like this. Oh well at least it is out there now...

Here is a quick diagram to go with the PDF for the MK II

http://keepingwiththebees.wordpress.com/making-a-perone-hive/overview/mk-2-perone-hive-diagram/

CJ · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:52 am Post subject:

Does anyone know where Oscar is now? Does he still keep bees?

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