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Prime swarm not left yet? Is Taranov split posible

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Guard Bee

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Location: UK, North East England, Hartlepool

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:51 pm    Post subject: Prime swarm not left yet? Is Taranov split posible Reply with quote

Hi, I have had a discussion with my natural bee keeping friend and were not sure if they have swarmed at all this year, have uploaded videos to help with any suggestions you may have. The current plan is to check the queen cells over the weekend.

I have had this colony since June 2012 and left them largely to care for themselves. I know it's late in the year but I’m not sure they have swarmed yet. I am unable to swarm watch and wondered about doing a Taranov split soon. Your observations/suggestions would be gratefully received. Sorry for the quality and orientation of the videos, I used my iPad and didnt think to put it on landscape.
Thank you Smile

This years obs of my bee colony.
I don't do many close observations but saw pollen going in on 8 April. First sunny weather here was 14 April.
First partial inspection 23 April as it's been cold, 17.20 Cloudy 13C, on 21 bars. From the honey end I checked from bar 18 to 15 finding honey, small amount of brood on both sides of bar 14. I decided not to inspect the brood area because of the low temperature. Entrance end Bar 5 had honey. All workers, no drone seen.
Weather deteriorated further from 25 April.

9 May 17.20 15 C, cloudy.
Could smell honey and observed that the colony was not building up. My concern was they were honey bound as in June 2017.
When going through the 21 bars there was only one with any brood on inc about 6 drone brood. Three bars were cross combed in the middle of the hive and full of honey. No new comb seen even though there were empty bars at both ends.
5 bars removed full of honey, new bars put between full comb.
Left on 17 bars.
Bees docile despite a full inspection.

2 July 15.34, 20C sunny. Bees flying well, colony has built up.
The hive was full of workers and drones. I inspected from the honey end but will describe obs from the entrance.
Bars 1-3, new comb with nectar.
Bar 4-14, have nectar, pollen and both worker and drone brood. Also grubs, no eggs observed but poor light.
Bar 4, new comb but in three separate sections, fragile. New queen cell seen on entrance side. Slight cross comb on back.
Bar 5 queen cell started.
Bars 7, 10, old queen cups.
Bar 14 had uncapped honey, worker and drone brood
Bar 15 - 17 had uncapped honey and both workers and drones.
Closed up at 17.05 17 C
The bees were very docile, added three bars, left with 21 bars.

Bar 4 new comb, three lobes.

Bar 4 second side queen cup on front of comb

Bar 5 https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=DC1IUird_nQ

Bar 5 second side queen cup on front of comb.

View inside hive at bar 6 looking into the hive.

Bar 7

Bar 7 second side

Bar 8

Bar 8 second side

Bar 9

Bar 9 second side

Bar 10

Bar 10 second side

Bar 13 both sides
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are sure they have not swarmed, I would say that there would be no problem doing a Taranov split. Even if they have and there are larvae less than 3 days old it should still work though if I wasn't sure they hadn't swarmed, I would want to ensure the presence of a queen before going ahead.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

None of the links are working for me..... @catchercradle .... Dave can you see them?

Hi Liz

I have been having a rethink and if you are specifically wanting to populate your other hive then it might still be ok to do it, but if you are going to do a Taranov split on a top bar hive you will need a hand to shake/brush all the bees off the comb and I might manage to come over and help you if you can let me know when.
Being able to see those images might help figure out what is going on. Do you have my gmail account address to email them to me or can you fix it so that we can view them? It tells me I need to create an account when I click on your links.


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Guard Bee

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Location: UK, North East England, Hartlepool

PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:56 am    Post subject: Videos Reply with quote

Edit My daughter has helped me find the correct URL's see below. Thank ypou for your patience Smile

Hi, Dave & Barbara

I have altered my YouTube settings so hopefully the vidio's will play now.
Later today I will try to upload videos of the activity at the entrance over the last few days.

I'm not sure even if I could do a Taranov split as I now have neighbours who spent a lot of time in their garden and don't want to upset them.

Bar 4 new comb, three lobes

Bar 4 second side, queen cup on front of comb

Bar 5

Bar 5 second side, queen cup on front of comb

View inside the hive at Bar 6

Bar 7 old queen cups

Bar 7 second side

Bar 8

Bar 8 second side

Bar 9

Bar 9 second side

Bar 10 old queen cups

Bar 10 second side

Bar 13 both sides

I will upload entrance activity once I have it on You Tube.

Thanks again for your help. Smile
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Guard Bee

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:39 am    Post subject: Entrance activity over the last few months Reply with quote

Here's the videos of their activity build up at the hive entrance over the last few months.
As I say I'm not sure about doing a Taranov split now because of the uncertainty of my information and the number of neighbours who are likely to be 20-30 feet away.
Thank you for your thoughts and insight. Smile

Bee activity 11-05-18 time 12.55 two days after finding them honey bound with a small amount of brood.

13-05-18 time 15.18

27-05-18 time 16.18

09-06-18 time 16.41

20-06-18 time 16.33

26-06-18 time 14.57

28-06-18 time 18.14

30-06-18 time 10.55

02-07-18 time 13.49 before full inspection shown in other videos.

03-07-18 time 15.42

06-07-18 time 15.48

07-07-18 time 11.41 the activity was at the same level at 17.03.
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